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					<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been getting increasing questions from both friends and clients about investing in a post-tax account with financial advisors in a particular fund. This must be getting heavily advertised somewhere or advisors are getting big commissions for selling this and I wanted to do some analysis on the true cost so people could make their ... <a title="The true cost of investing with a financial advisor" class="read-more" href="https://mrsmoneyhacker.com/the-true-cost-of-investing-with-a-financial-advisor/" aria-label="More on The true cost of investing with a financial advisor">Read more</a>]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve been getting increasing questions from both friends and clients about investing in a post-tax account with financial advisors in a particular fund. This must be getting heavily advertised somewhere or advisors are getting big commissions for selling this and I wanted to do some analysis on the true cost so people could make their decision with eyes wide open. This post highlights the true cost of investing with a financial advisor in a post-tax life assurance product.</p>



<p>Firstly, I want to preempt this to say I don&#8217;t think all financial advisors are bad and that they need to get paid for the service they provide but I do think that a lot of people, including some advisors, aren&#8217;t truly aware of the fees and the impact of them long term which is the purpose of this post.</p>



<p>In this post, I will compare investing in the <a href="https://www.zurichlife.ie/DocArchive/servlet/DocArchServlet?docId=SI_DYN_FF&amp;docTag=" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Zurich Dynamic Prisma Fund</a> through a financial advisor and investing on your own in a simple S&amp;P500 accumulating ETF tracker in a self-directed online broker account.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Some definitions</h2>



<p><strong>Life assurance investment product:</strong> This is the term used for a post-tax investment account sold by a life assurance company. My understanding is that a company that sells life assurance policies can offer post-tax investment products, typically sold by financial advisors on their behalf, but these products do not carry any life insurance or assurance benefits, they are just called life assurance investment products as they are offered by the company that provides life assurance policies, though I&#8217;m happy to be corrected on this.</p>



<p><strong>Government levy:</strong> As of the 2009 Finance Act, the government apply a 1% levy on all premiums paid to all life assurance companies. The levy applies to most types of life assurance policies including:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>Protection</li><li>Savings</li><li>Investments</li></ul>



<p><strong>Initial commission:</strong> When working with a financial advisor, by law, they must now make it clear what commission they make by selling you a product. My understanding is that initial commissions are taken on all contributions made for the first year of holding the product. So if they charge a commission of 5.25% and you invest a lump sum of 100k, they will only invest 93,750€ after 5,250€ commission and 1,000€ government levy are taken out. This can make a significant impact on long term compounding as you&#8217;ll see below. </p>



<p>Another note on this is, if your advisor is continually getting you to switch funds, really take a look at the initial commission as they would be getting a HUGE portion of your investments every year. For example: they get an initial commission of 5% in year 1, they change you to another product in year 2 with another initial commission of 5%, and you&#8217;re only making 10% in the fund, essentially you are giving them half your gains every year. Though, it should be said that it&#8217;s not in the interest of most advisors to switch on the detriment of their clients, just something to question if you have a questionable advisor.</p>



<p><strong>Ongoing charge:</strong> This is an annual percentage fee charged on the total value of the fund under management, whether you make money or not. So if they charge 1% and in year 1 your portfolio is worth 100k, they will make 1,000€, by year 30 your portfolio could be worth 500k or 600k and they will make 5k and 6k/year in commission. Again this can have a major impact on your compounding over time.</p>



<p><strong>Clawback:</strong> Some advisors have clauses where if you do not stay invested in a certain product for 5 years for example, they can &#8220;clawback&#8221; any commission they should have made over that timeframe. So if you invest a lump sum in year 1 and, in year 2 hit some financial difficulty and need to sell your investments, the financial advisor could take the commissions they should have made for the remaining 4 years. So if you invest a lump sum of 100k and the ongoing charge is 1%, and the clawback applies to the first 5 years, you could be liable for 4k in early exit fees. Again, I&#8217;m happy to be corrected on this but this is what I could deduce from my research. I&#8217;ve been advised that Zurich currently also offer no exit contracts, which allows clients to move out with no penalty, often to the detriment of the broker who get all their earnings taken back.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Product comparison</h2>



<figure class="wp-block-table is-style-stripes"><table><tbody><tr><td></td><td><strong>S&amp;P500 Acc ETF</strong></td><td><strong>Financial advisor 1</strong></td><td><strong>Financial advisor 2</strong></td></tr><tr><td>Initial commission/purchase fee</td><td>0.032%</td><td>0%</td><td>5.25%</td></tr><tr><td>Ongoing mgmt fee</td><td>0.07%</td><td>1.25%</td><td>1%</td></tr><tr><td>Government levy</td><td>0%</td><td>1%</td><td>1%</td></tr><tr><td>Performance including reinvestment of dividends</td><td>11.77%</td><td>11.1%</td><td>11.1%</td></tr><tr><td>Tax treatment: 41% exit tax on gains and dividends + 8 year deemed disposal</td><td>Yes</td><td>Yes</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>Tax filing required</td><td>Yes</td><td>No</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Penalties (clawback) for withdrawing</td><td>No</td><td>No</td><td>Yes</td></tr></tbody></table></figure>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Assumptions:</h2>



<p>Zurich Dynamic Prisma Fund shows a performance since inception in November 1989 of 11.1%. This includes reinvestment of dividends and excludes any taxes, initial commissions, government levy&#8217;s, or ongoing management charges.</p>



<p>S&amp;P500 performance for the same time frame was 10.39% not including reinvestment of dividends. Dividends averaged about 1.38% for that timeframe coming to a combined performance of 11.77%.</p>



<p>I&#8217;m going to look at investing a lump sum of 100,000€ and see the total value of each option after 30 years.</p>



<p>Buying the S&amp;P500 accumulating ETF with dividends automatically reinvested results in a once-off purchase cost on Degiro of 32€. It charges an ongoing annual fee of 0.07%.</p>



<p>Financial advisor 1 doesn&#8217;t charge an initial commission and has no clawback clause but charges a slightly higher ongoing charge of 1.25%.</p>



<p>Financial advisor 2 charges an initial commission of 5.25% and has a clawback clause but charges a slightly lower ongoing annual charge of 1%.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Comparison after 30 years:</h2>



<p>After 30 years, looking at these 3 scenarios, lumping in 100,000€ in year 1 and taking out the 41% exit tax on gains and dividends every 8 years results in the below portfolios.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-table is-style-stripes"><table><tbody><tr><td></td><td>S&amp;P500 Acc ETF</td><td>Financial advisor 1</td><td>Financial advisor 2</td></tr><tr><td>Portfolio value after 30 years</td><td>942k</td><td>654k</td><td>589k</td></tr><tr><td>Variance</td><td></td><td>287k</td><td>352k</td></tr></tbody></table></figure>



<p>This goes to show the impact of initial commissions, ongoing fees, and government levy. It also goes to show that having a higher ongoing commission can actually result in more returns than having a high initial commission.</p>



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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Considerations:</h2>



<p>When you&#8217;re starting to invest, putting a large sum of money into anything can be scary and giving your money to someone more qualified than you can feel like a safety net but this can come at a real cost as you can see in the demonstration above.</p>



<p>I would also argue that if you are not comfortable with the risk of investing, then starting with the Dynamic Prisma fund is particularly high risk in terms of the underlying fund asset allocation which your advisor should help educate you on.</p>



<p>The Dynamic Prisma fund is in 93% equities, 4% cash and 3% bonds. This is high risk in nature and explains the high return over the years. High risk means potentially higher rewards in the long run but with ALOT of volatility in the short term. </p>



<p>If you don&#8217;t feel confident leaving money in the market when it dips then having the funds &#8220;locked&#8221; away with an advisor may suit you if you feel like you need an additional barrier to stop yourself from selling when the markets fall. A good advisor would help coach you through leaving your money invested in downfalls, though again, this comes at a real price over the long run.</p>



<p>I hope this gives a bit more clarity on the true cost of investing with a financial advisor in a post-tax savings account. If I have gotten any of the above wrong please do let me know but this is what I could piece together to date.</p>
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