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<p>Investment trusts are another investment vehicle which are gaining popularity in Ireland due to their historical returns and preferable tax treatment in Ireland. In this post, I cover how investment trusts compare to ETFs and why I&#8217;m still planning on building my portfolio in ETFs (Exchange-traded funds).</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">What are Investment Trusts</h2>



<p>Investment trusts are closed-end funds, typically in the UK and Japan. They are publicly listed companies that invest in financial assets or the shares of other companies on behalf of their investors. You can read more about these <a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Investment_trusts" target="_blank">here</a>. </p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Diversification</h3>



<p>Investment trusts are a great way to get diversification by buying one &#8220;stock&#8221;. </p>



<p>Looking at some info on F&amp;C Investment Trust as an example: The first-ever investment trust, launched in 1868. A diversified portfolio gives exposure to most of the world markets. Invests in more than 400 companies in 35 countries. Among the largest investment trusts in its sector.</p>



<p>F&amp;C is invested in a mix of stocks and bonds of companies listed publicly on the stock market, a max of 5% in unlisted securities (not traded on an exchange) and a max of 20% in private equity (direct investments into companies rather than via stock holdings).</p>



<p>Derivatives (investment contracts between the Company and counterparties, the values of which are derived from one or more underlying assets) may be used for income enhancement and efficient portfolio management. Borrowings, which may be short or long-term, in sterling or foreign currencies, would normally fall within a range of 0% to 20% of net assets.</p>



<p>Of the publicly listed companies, it&#8217;s invested in companies like: Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, Paypal, Mastercard, Visa, Alibaba, Netflix and SAP.</p>



<p>This is actively managed fund and results in higher fees. F&amp;C for example charges 1.18%</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Performance</h3>



<p>The average annual return for the last 5 years of the <a href="http://lt.morningstar.com/1c6qh1t6k9/util/DocumentProxy.aspx?key=CEF&amp;SecId=F0GBR052PD" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">F&amp;C </a>has been 14.46%. I believe this is before annual management or purchase fees, inflation and taxes.</p>



<p>The <a href="https://research.ftserussell.com/Analytics/Factsheets/Home/DownloadSingleIssue?issueName=WORLDS&amp;IsManual=false" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">FTSE World Index</a>&#8216;s performance for the same period was 12.8%.</p>



<p>If we take<a href="https://www.bmogam.com/gb-en/retail/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/l133-fc-investment-trust.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> 1.18%</a> fees and 1.9% inflation brings it down to 11.38%. This still does not include stamp duty, currency exchange fees and brokerage purchase costs.</p>



<p>The S&amp;P 500s last 5 years average return was <a href="https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/investing/average-stock-market-return" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">13.88%</a>. No stamp duty applies. Minus 0.07% fees and 1.9% inflation = 11.91%. If you bought this as an accumulating ETF on Degiro the fees would be 2€/transaction plus 0.03% of the total purchase.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Taxation</h3>



<p>The main draw to IT&#8217;s in Ireland is the taxation. As you are investing in a company, who in turn invests on your behalf, these are treated as individual stocks and NOT as ETFs. </p>



<p>This means you will be charged 33% tax on capital gains and your marginal income tax rate on dividends instead of 41% exit tax on gains and dividends along with the 8 year deemed disposal rule that comes with ETFs outside of a pension.</p>



<p>Investment trusts are also eligible for 1,270€/year in CGT allowance per person. Not the case for ETFs.</p>



<p>You can also carry forward capital losses from current for previous years to be applied against any future capital gains taxes. Also NOT the case for ETFs.</p>



<p>When you die, if your portfolio exceeds £325k (which a retirement pot typically would be) your beneficiaries may be liable double-taxation on inheritance tax.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Comparison</h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Assumptions:</h3>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Accumulating ETF</h4>



<p><strong>Performance:</strong> 11.91% after fees and inflation.</p>



<p><strong>Dividend yield:</strong> 1.6%</p>



<p><strong>Taxes:</strong> 41% exit tax on gains and dividends, exit taxes applied to both gains and dividends from year 8 due to deemed disposal rule. Dividends are automatically reinvested in the fund and no exit taxes applied for the first 8 years due to accumulating ETF.</p>



<p><strong>Purchase costs</strong> on Degiro: 2€/transaction + 0.03% of purchase</p>



<p><strong>Investment: </strong>3,000€/month, bought monthly for 20 years (2,997.10€/month after fees)</p>



<p><strong>Value after 20 years: </strong>2.242 Million &#8211; Assuming all taxes incurred for like for like comparison. </p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Investment Trust</h4>



<p><strong>Performance: </strong>11.38% after fees and inflation.</p>



<p><strong>Dividend yield:</strong> 1.6%</p>



<p><strong>Taxes:</strong> 33% on gains, 52% on dividends (assuming higher income tax bracket and all tax credits applied to employment income)</p>



<p><strong>Purchase costs</strong> on Degiro: 0.5% stamp duty, 4¢/transaction + 0.05% of purchase + 0.1% currency conversion (<a href="https://www.degiro.ie/knowledge/investing-with-degiro/trading-with-degiro/currency-handling" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Degiro&#8217;s AutoFX rate</a>) on purchase and the manual rate of 0.02% on sale.</p>



<p><strong>Investment:</strong> 3,000/month, bought monthly for 20 years (2,976.50€/month after fees) </p>



<p><strong>Value after 20 years: </strong>2.248 Million (+0.3% more than the ETF portfolio) &#8211; Assuming all taxes incurred for like for like comparison. </p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Other Considerations</h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">General risk</h3>



<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t fully understand the risks with investment trusts, in that I don&#8217;t understand who actually owns the underlying assets. My understanding is that you are buying a stock in a company and that company is investing on your behalf. So if that investment company goes under, your &#8220;stock&#8221; in that company at risk. </p>



<p>Based on the <a href="https://www.bmogam.com/gb-en/retail/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/l133-fc-investment-trust.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">KID document</a> for the F&amp;C Investment Trust &#8211; this seems to be the case:</p>



<p>&#8220;The Company&#8217;s shares are listed on the London Stock Exchange. Should the Company be liquidated, the amount you receive for your holding will be based on the value of assets available for distribution after all other liabilities, but before shareholders, have been paid. Shareholders in this company do not have the right to make a claim to the Financial Services Compensation Scheme in the event that the Company is unable to pay out.&#8221;</p>



<p>If this is the case, a good investment rule of thumb is to only have 5% of your portfolio in any one company&#8217;s stock. As I plan to build a sizeable portfolio which will passively cover my living costs, I do not think that a portfolio made entirely of investment trusts is sustainable if even spread across multiple ITs.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Complexity</h3>



<p>If you read through the various fact sheets for ITs, you will see mention of discount rates and NAV (Net Asset Value) performance. From what I can make out, you can buy ITs at a discount to the NAV on some days or more than the NAV on other days. The same applies to when you sell. </p>



<p>So if you buy at more than the NAV and sell at less than the NAV, you will realise less value than if you bought at a discount and sold at a higher value. </p>



<p>I&#8217;m not going to pretend I know any more about it than that. I haven&#8217;t factored any of this into my analysis as I wouldn&#8217;t even know where to begin. </p>



<p>Suffice to say, this adds complexity to both accumulation and withdrawal strategies. Something you may know I like to avoid.  </p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Currency exchange risk</h3>



<p>Investment trusts are traded in GBX (British pence) which means you are subjecting yourself to currency exchange risk. But what does this actually mean? </p>



<p>If you look at the historical currency exchange between EUR and GBP here are the highs and low:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>In the last 12 months: 0.94 and 0.83 = 11% fluctuation</li><li>In the last 5 years: 0.92 and 0.72 = 16% fluctuation</li><li>Between 1999 and today: 0.96 and 0.59 = 37% fluctuation</li></ul>



<p>So if the bulk of my portfolio is in GBP which I plan to live off of in retirement (converted to EUR) in say 15 years time, I could have marginally more in growth compared to an ETF portfolio but anywhere from 11%-37% less in value at ay given time due to the difference in currency value. </p>



<p>Even within a given year, if I wanted to withdraw my full years expenses at the beginning of the year to reduce risk, I could lose 11% off the bat to currency difference. </p>



<p>As far as I know, currency exchange &#8220;losses&#8221; cannot be carried forward as capital gains losses can. </p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Tax changes</h3>



<p>While the tax on investment trusts is currently more favourable to ETF exit tax and deemed disposals every 8 years, as far as I know, Revenue haven&#8217;t actually confirmed the taxation of investment trusts and therefore is more likely to change. </p>



<p>If you had built your portfolio around taxation benefits, any changes in this area could drastically devalue your portfolio overnight. </p>



<p>Also exit taxes were once 23% and fund managers are lobbying to have this reduced in line with at least DIRT and CGT. If this should change, ETFs would quickly become an even stronger winner (though I&#8217;m not holding my breath).</p>



<h1 class="wp-block-heading">Final thoughts</h1>



<p>As with all of my analysis to date, I keep coming back to the keep it simple approach. </p>



<p>ETFs still tick a lot of boxes for me:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>easy diversification (hundreds or even thousands of company&#8217;s stocks in one ETF) </li><li>less maintenance (no studying individual company reports, valuations etc) </li><li>less effort to rebalance (compared to a larger pool of individual stocks/ITs)</li><li>less currency exchange risk and fees (though still some as underlying assets are in other currencies)</li><li>low fees to purchase, hold and sell</li><li>liquid (I can sell off at any time and access at any age, unlike a pension)</li></ul>



<p>I may sound crazy but my goal for financial independence is the freedom of time and peace of mind. If my the cash flow from my passive assets cover my expenses and I have financial security and peace of mind, I don&#8217;t really care if my portfolio is worth 1 million or 10 million. Enough is enough for me. </p>



<p>This is why I keep coming back to the simplicity of ETFs. </p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Detailed calculations</h2>



<p>And for those who want to dig into the numbers:</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">ETF growth</h3>



<figure class="wp-block-table is-style-stripes"><table><tbody><tr><td>Year</td><td>Fund</td><td>Annual Savings</td><td>Gain</td><td>Exit tax</td><td>Dividends</td><td>Tax</td><td>Total</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 4,283</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 575</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 40,824</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>&nbsp;€ 40,824</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 9,146</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,229</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 87,164</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>&nbsp;€ 87,164</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 14,665</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,970</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 139,763</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>&nbsp;€ 139,763</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 20,929</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,812</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 199,470</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>&nbsp;€ 199,470</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 28,040</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 3,767</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 267,242</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>&nbsp;€ 267,242</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 36,112</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 4,851</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 344,170</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>&nbsp;€ 344,170</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 45,274</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 6,082</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 431,492</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>&nbsp;€ 431,492</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 55,674</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,414</td><td>&nbsp;€ 7,479</td><td>&nbsp;€ 236</td><td>&nbsp;€ 528,961</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>&nbsp;€ 528,961</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 67,283</td><td>&nbsp;€ 3,750</td><td>&nbsp;€ 9,039</td><td>&nbsp;€ 504</td><td>&nbsp;€ 636,995</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>&nbsp;€ 636,995</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 80,150</td><td>&nbsp;€ 6,012</td><td>&nbsp;€ 10,767</td><td>&nbsp;€ 808</td><td>&nbsp;€ 757,056</td></tr><tr><td>11</td><td>&nbsp;€ 757,056</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 94,449</td><td>&nbsp;€ 8,581</td><td>&nbsp;€ 12,688</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,153</td><td>&nbsp;€ 890,425</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>&nbsp;€ 890,425</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 110,333</td><td>&nbsp;€ 11,497</td><td>&nbsp;€ 14,822</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,544</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,038,505</td></tr><tr><td>13</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,038,505</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 127,969</td><td>&nbsp;€ 14,806</td><td>&nbsp;€ 17,192</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,989</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,202,836</td></tr><tr><td>14</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,202,836</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 147,541</td><td>&nbsp;€ 18,562</td><td>&nbsp;€ 19,821</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,494</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,385,107</td></tr><tr><td>15</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,385,107</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 169,250</td><td>&nbsp;€ 22,826</td><td>&nbsp;€ 22,737</td><td>&nbsp;€ 3,067</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,587,166</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,587,166</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 193,315</td><td>&nbsp;€ 27,586</td><td>&nbsp;€ 25,970</td><td>&nbsp;€ 3,706</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,811,124</td></tr><tr><td>17</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,811,124</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 219,988</td><td>&nbsp;€ 32,861</td><td>&nbsp;€ 29,553</td><td>&nbsp;€ 4,415</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,059,355</td></tr><tr><td>18</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,059,355</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 249,553</td><td>&nbsp;€ 38,724</td><td>&nbsp;€ 33,525</td><td>&nbsp;€ 5,202</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,334,472</td></tr><tr><td>19</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,334,472</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 282,319</td><td>&nbsp;€ 45,237</td><td>&nbsp;€ 37,927</td><td>&nbsp;€ 6,077</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,639,370</td></tr><tr><td>20</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,639,370</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,965</td><td>&nbsp;€ 318,632</td><td> € 700,513*</td><td>&nbsp;€ 42,805</td><td> € 94,108*</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,242,152</td></tr></tbody></table><figcaption>ETF growth</figcaption></figure>



<p>(*) assumes all remaining exit taxes for the 20 years is applied in the final year for like for like after tax comparison</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Investment Trust Growth</h3>



<figure class="wp-block-table is-style-stripes"><table><tbody><tr><td>Year</td><td>Fund</td><td>Annual Savings</td><td>Gain</td><td>CGT</td><td>Dividends</td><td>Tax</td><td>Total</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 4,065</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 571</td><td>&nbsp;€ 297</td><td>&nbsp;€ 40,057</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>&nbsp;€ 40,057</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 8,623</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,212</td><td>&nbsp;€ 630</td><td>&nbsp;€ 84,980</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>&nbsp;€ 84,980</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 13,735</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,931</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,004</td><td>&nbsp;€ 135,361</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>&nbsp;€ 135,361</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 19,469</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,737</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,423</td><td>&nbsp;€ 191,861</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>&nbsp;€ 191,861</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 25,899</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 3,641</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,893</td><td>&nbsp;€ 255,226</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>&nbsp;€ 255,226</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 33,109</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 4,655</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,421</td><td>&nbsp;€ 326,287</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>&nbsp;€ 326,287</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 41,196</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 5,792</td><td>&nbsp;€ 3,012</td><td>&nbsp;€ 405,982</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>&nbsp;€ 405,982</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 50,265</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 7,067</td><td>&nbsp;€ 3,675</td><td>&nbsp;€ 495,357</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>&nbsp;€ 495,357</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 60,436</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 8,497</td><td>&nbsp;€ 4,419</td><td>&nbsp;€ 595,591</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>&nbsp;€ 595,591</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 71,843</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 10,101</td><td>&nbsp;€ 5,252</td><td>&nbsp;€ 708,000</td></tr><tr><td>11</td><td>&nbsp;€ 708,000</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 84,635</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 11,899</td><td>&nbsp;€ 6,188</td><td>&nbsp;€ 834,065</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>&nbsp;€ 834,065</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 98,981</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 13,917</td><td>&nbsp;€ 7,237</td><td>&nbsp;€ 975,444</td></tr><tr><td>13</td><td>&nbsp;€ 975,444</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 115,070</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 16,179</td><td>&nbsp;€ 8,413</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,133,998</td></tr><tr><td>14</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,133,998</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 133,114</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 18,715</td><td>&nbsp;€ 9,732</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,311,813</td></tr><tr><td>15</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,311,813</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 153,349</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 21,560</td><td>&nbsp;€ 11,211</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,511,229</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,511,229</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 176,043</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 24,751</td><td>&nbsp;€ 12,871</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,734,870</td></tr><tr><td>17</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,734,870</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 201,493</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 28,329</td><td>&nbsp;€ 14,731</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,985,679</td></tr><tr><td>18</td><td>&nbsp;€ 1,985,679</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 230,035</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 32,342</td><td>&nbsp;€ 16,818</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,266,956</td></tr><tr><td>19</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,266,956</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 262,044</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;€ 36,843</td><td>&nbsp;€ 19,158</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,582,403</td></tr><tr><td>20</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,582,403</td><td>&nbsp;€ 35,718</td><td>&nbsp;€ 297,942</td><td> € 686,845*</td><td>&nbsp;€ 41,890</td><td>&nbsp;€ 21,783</td><td>&nbsp;€ 2,248,876</td></tr></tbody></table><figcaption>Investment Trust Growth</figcaption></figure>



<p>(*) assumes all capital gains taxes for the 20 years is applied in the final year for like for like after tax comparison</p>
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