A while ago I compared pensions to self directed investments. This post looks at how pensions stack up to an ETF portfolio over a 40 year withdrawal period. It also shows the impact management fees and performance can have on your pension over time. Ultimately I answer whether pensions are the best investment in Ireland.
Assumptions
I’m basing this study on a couple starting to invest at age 40, earning a combined gross income of 94,000€. This is higher than the average income but was chosen as an average over 20 years for simplicity sake.
They save 1,960€/month (or 23,500€/year) towards option A, a self directed investment and option B, a pension.
While there is no limit to what you can contribute to investments outside a pension, the 1,960€month is the full 25% allowable in a pension from age 40. You can contribute more as you age but I kept the base amount the same over the 20 years, again for simplicity and ease of comparison.
The total they invest in both cases is 470,000€ over 20 years.
They retire at age 60 and live on 40,000€ combined.
This results in a portfolio of just over 1 million in both portfolios.
Investment outside a pension
I’m assuming the self directed investments are in Irish domiciled ETFs. These incur a 41% deemed disposal exit tax every 8 years. This tax amount is taken out of the portfolio growth amount.
I’m assuming a growth of 7.91% in the accumulation phase. This is the historical stock market average of 10% minus 0.19% management fees and Ireland’s 30 year average inflation of 1.9%.
In the withdrawal phase the growth goes up to 9.81% as the inflation of 2% is taken into account in the withdrawal amount. For example: In year 1 the couple withdraws 40,000€ and in year 2 they withdraw 40,800€ (2% more).
Pension
I’m assuming the same growth as outside a pension using ETFs in a self administered fund and pension management fees of 1.25%. This results in growth of 6.85% in the accumulation phase (compared to 7.91% outside a pension) and 8.75% in the withdrawal phase (adding inflation back in as it is taken into account in the withdrawal amount).
The annual withdrawal starts at 40,000€ and increases by inflation of 2% each year. However, at age 60 the withdrawal has to be a minimum of 4%. At age 70 the withdrawal increases to 5%. And once the portfolio exceeds 2 million the withdrawal rate goes up to 6% as per revenue rules.
Income taxes at the marginal rate are taken out of the portfolio growth amount.
Any amounts that exceed the inflation adjusted 40,000€ are reinvested into a self directed ETF portfolio.
Whether you take the money out of the pension or not, you will pay income tax as though you have withdrawn the full 4-6%. You could leave the excess in the pension to continue growing but then your withdrawal percentage and taxes will be higher and higher as the years go on. You may be better off withdrawing the full amount which you are paying taxes on and reinvest it outside of the pension to reduce this impact. This also keeps your pension below the 2 million mark for longer, reducing your mandatory withdrawal (and tax) rate for as long as possible.
The full 200,000€ tax free lump sum is taken at retirement and reinvested into an ETF portfolio. I use the same assumptions as the non-pension investment.
How do they stack up?
After 20 years, by age 80, the investment portfolio outside of a pension stands at 2.1 million. While the pension including separate investment for lump sum and excess withdrawals stands at almost 2.7 million. A difference of 675,000€.
After 40 years, by age 100, the investment portfolio outside of a pension stands at just over 5 million. While the pension stands at 8.9 million. A difference of 3.8 million.
Management fees and performance
What if your pension management fees are higher? Or what if the performance is lower than what you can get outside of pension? Or some combination of the two ie: your real rate of return?
If your pension management fees are just 0.75% higher (at 2%) or your performance is 0.75% lower than you could get by investing yourself (at 9.25% instead of 10% before fees and inflation) then you will have 23,000€ less in your portfolio than investing yourself after 20 years but 476,000€ more after 40 years.
Do you know how your pension is performing and how much you are paying in fees? These two elements are very important as you can see that even very small differences in percentage will totally wipe out any tax advantages you are getting.
Any more than a 1.9% variance in combined fees and performance and you will be better off investing yourself in a self directed fund and keeping your money accessible at any time.
Average pension fees and growth
For a bit of context, the average charges for pensions in Ireland according to this 2012 report were 2.18%.
The average pension growth in the same report was -4.82% after fees and inflation based on historical average, though the report only has data from 2007 (-7.3%), 2008 (-35.7%), 2015 (4.5%), 2016 (8.1%) and 2017 (6.3%). Even if you take out the crash in ’08 it’s still only 2.9% (or 6.98% if you add back in the 2.18% in fees and 1.9% in inflation instead of 10% in the stock market).
If I apply these rates to my example, your pension would only be worth 643,000€ by age 60 and you would run out of money by age 87.
Lower exit tax
Fund managers are petitioning to bring exit tax back in line with DIRT and while that seems unlikely it’s not impossible. Exit tax and DIRT were aligned from 2001-2016. Going down as far as 23% back in 2008.
If brought back down to 33% then the 2 cases in this post would be more comparable. After 20 years the pension would have 197,000€ more than the ETF portfolio. After 40 years the pension would have 716,000€ more.
Are pensions the best investment in Ireland?
So are pensions the best investment in Ireland?
Like most things, it depends. It depends on:
- Your real rate of return which takes into account your performance, management fees and inflation
- Years to retirement
Real rate of return
In order for a pension to fare better than self directed ETF investments you need to have a real rate of return of 5.95% or higher.
You can calculate your real rate of return by taking your performance – annual management fees – inflation.
So in the first case I looked at it was 10% performance – 1.25% fees – 1.9% inflation = 6.85%
Years to retirement
Different pensions have different retirement ages. Make sure yours aligns with your goals. If not you will need to take that into consideration when planning out your investment goals.
You may need to invest outside of the pension as well as in the pension in order to bridge the gap between the age you can access your pension.
Summary Table
Scenario | Real rate of return | Portfolio after 20 years | Portfolio after 40 years |
ETF (41% exit tax) | 7.91% | 2.1 million | 5 million |
Pension | 6.85% | 2.7 million | 8.9 million |
ETF (33% exit tax) | 7.91% | 2.5 million | 8.2 million |
Pension | 6.10% | 2 million | 5.5 million |
Pension | 5.95% | 1.9 million | 4.8 million |
Pension (last 10 year average) | 2.90% | 364,000€ | 0 by year 28 |
Why am I still avoiding a pension?
So why, if the pension is clearly the most tax efficient option, as long as the real rate of return is 5.95% or higher, am I still holding off?
Personally, I am aiming to be financially independent by age 45 at the latest. This would leave at least 5 years until I could access my pension if I had an executive pension. It would require me to draw down on my self directed investments during that time until I could access the pension.
I currently have investments scattered across Ireland and Canada and already have complicated tax matters and withdrawal strategies to account for.
After all my analysis, I still have questions unanswered and am getting to the point that I’d just like to streamline and simplify my portfolio.
I recently met up with a couple who have already retired early and are offering consultations to others on their path to FIRE. They said that one woman who was highly educated felt like she needed to have an overly complex portfolio as she felt that the more complex would mean the better returns. She felt that since she was so well educated she should be using her intelligence to outsmart the system when in fact it was making matters worse.
I’m actually starting to feel like maybe I’m a bit like that woman. I am over analysing all the variables and just need to take a step back, possibly consolidate and simplify my investments and continue plugging away at our goal.
And this may seem crazy to some but, who cares if after 40 years I have 5 million instead of 8.9 million. As long as my portfolio is sustaining my retirement lifestyle then the rest is just excess.
As for leaving money to my son, yes that would be nice, but I hope that we will be able to teach him to provide and invest for himself so that he won’t need to rely on an inheritance from us.
Hi,
Why do the returns differ here compared to the investing in Ireland article?
Hiya, The base rates in both are the same at 2.90% based on the 2018 report excluding the dip in ’08. The real rate of returns quoted in the investment article differ as they are based on income at withdrawal which takes into account the different marginal tax rates depending on your level of income at withdrawal. The comparison article doesn’t look at the withdrawal as much as that will depend on the individual circumstances. Hope that makes sense?
Have you looked at using a broker like Davy to invest in your pension but manage it yourself? I believe they offer a self directed PRSA pension.
Hiya, Yup I’ve seen others have used them and managed to get a 0.75% management fee with no advice option, self-directed but as I’m planning to start withdrawing by age 46 at the latest that’s 14 years where I’d need to bridge the gap with other investments so doesn’t make sense for me. I’m not dead set against pensions, I have run the numbers and it can certainly speed up your journey if you’re closer to the age when you need to access it but unless I decide to work part-time, have another kid etc and push my FI date out by a few years I don’t want the complication of having some funds outside a pension to bridge the gap between access etc. Though I’m known to change my mind and never say never.
Makes sense for you. I’m quite late to the investing party so rough plan is to set up two Davy pension plans for my wife and I but also invest in some accumulating ETFs via Degiro (if I ever get off the wait list) or Interactive Broker (I have an account here). I’ll also play around with some stocks but I think a Buy & Hold strategy would suit me best.
Sounds good! Yes pensions can definitely shave off a few years to FI if you are near enough the age to access the funds! Best of luck on your journey
That’s a great post! Thanks for that!
Nowadays I’m contributing to AVCs to reaches the 20% limit I’m entitled to in my private pension. It goes on top of my payslip 4% contribution + 5% “given” by the company.
There are about 2 years I’m investing by myself via DeGIRO, and I was wondering if stick with the AVCs would make sense… I’m not sure yet how much is the fees of my pension provider (Mercer) but the returns so far are not bad (~12%, but measured over the last 2 years only. I have to double-check their previous years).
I also want to reach the financial independence up to 45; however, I’m afraid those AVCs might late it…
I also have to study more about those exit taxes, and etc… I’m quite new on it.
Anyway, I really appreciate your post. This was the first one I read (I got the link from a Facebook page), but you got a new subscriber 🙂
Hi Meagan, I hope message this finds you well.
This post does a good job of demonstrating how a pension of €1,960/month will grow that bit better than an ETF portfolio of €1,960/month, but I think it fails to capture the most important benefit of contributing to a pension – the tax relief!!
Using your figures, if this couple invested €1,960 into their pension every month, then they would get tax relief. As they are high earners, this will be 40% relief. Investing €1,960 will only cost them €1,176. In my opinion, there is an extra €784/month missing in the pension route calculations above.
A more like for like comparison would be to compare, €1,960/month into a pension vs €1,176/month into an ETF portfolio. Both of these will cost this couple €1,176/month out of their pockets (if you get me). Using this comparison it is easy to see how a pension would ‘win’ all day, every day.
Alternatively, the couple could take the tax relief (40%, or €784/month) and invest it in an ETF portfolio alongside their pension. Now the pension route after 20 years would be a pension of €2.7M plus the 40% ETF portfolio of €840,000 (40% of 2.1M). This is now a total of 3.54M now!! This beats the ETF only route by over €1M after only 20 years.
(remember, this 40% ETF portfolio is from the tax relief, and extra (free) money that you omitted from your calculations above).
I think the fact that a pension is contributed to with before tax money is the real reason why nothing will ever come close to a pension (in Ireland). The tax relief really supercharges growth.
Also, it does not have to be one or the other. I have maxed my pension – and I also have an ETF portfolio. I have read that you want to retire earlier and avoid pensions as you cannot access them before 50. In the above example, the (free) 40% ETF portfolio could be used/emptied before you turn 50 and then you could move to your pension. No matter how you cut it, you will pass the age of 50 and have access to your locked up pension eventually.
Cheers,
Damien